The 'Authorities' and the Yowie Conspiracy

[Wolf]

The discussion on why the PTB keep Bigfeets under wraps has been ongoing here and in other arenas.
I was listening to Bigfoot Outlaw Radio today. In this episode they discuss this (and many others things) with a Federal Employee working for the US equivalent of the Parks and Wildlife Service.
It's a bit hard to listen to as they have disguised her voice to protect her job.
About halfway in she talks about what would happen if the information was released and 'accepted'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aixpQ0z2-fM

[Tuckeroo]

[quote="Wolf"]

Hi Wolf, the interesting thing about the bigfoot sightings in America compared to Australia is often the police
and state/local authorities seemed to be wrapped up in the story. To me this would suggest more of a conspiracy
to American witnesses and reaserchers than in Australia.
Interesting when she said that the authorites will admit BF existence once they're sure of a very high degree of
public exceptance.
The other important point was the lose of access to public land if it was a BF area. I think the mystery of all this
Yowie/BF stuff is what keeps it interesting.
The evidence does suggest a cover-up by authorities but just think what will happen if all is revealed by the gov't
and the public now take it for granted that the Yowie/BF exists. Things like this web site would probably fade out
and those haunting encounters we read about in the aussie bush would seem meaningless.
Would large areas of the Blue Mountains or Gold Coast hinterland be now off-limits to the public, with new
laws to keep your distance like when whale-watching.
There would be a growth in the Yowie tourist trade with hapless backpackers terrified around the campfire,
not to mention gung-ho Bobs stumbling into the wilderness trying to catch one.
Also it would be a big thing for science to grapple with; the Yowie now a topic of many a PHD.
On Wednesday this week is the 50th. anniversery of the Westall incident in Melbourne. Now there's a conspiracy
if ever there was one; film being confiscated, the men in black, blue and green turning up shortly after the event,
scatching around in the dirt and terrifying the kiddies in the principals office.
It's the most mysterious play-lunch ever recorded in Australian history.

T.

[M-glass]

Government is doing a balancing-act as it is in trying to keep the Evolutionists and Church happy. How would evolutionists, Church, science and government reconcile the existence of Yowie, even if proof positive were delivered to Parliament House? And that's if Yowie were classifiable as flesh and blood. If Yowie demonstrated an ability to blip in and out of 'our' reality before assorted media .... can you imagine?

Social media would erupt ! Life would never again be as we currently know it. Some would become religious overnight, while others would quit it. Science would be running around like a chook minus its head

In any event, even if government & the rest were compelled for some reason to acknowledge the existence of Yowie, there's no reason to expect Yowie to fall in line. Our government isn't Yowie's government

It would be pandemonium. Yowie-hunters would end up in pitched battle with the Save the Yowie groups. The media would be an army on its own. Enormous sums would be offered for 'proof of the Yowie'. Times are tough. It would be like the old gold-rush days with thousands heading inland in search of the prize. Mayhem. People would be killed and wounded as those with weapons jumped at shadows

The most serious assault of course would be on our minds, were a Yowie to be captured dead or alive. They'd have to tear up the text-books and religious tomes. Science would be relegated to the dust-bin too. Even if people adjusted and accepted that everything would have to be rewritten, governmental/scientific/religious acceptance of Yowie would mean that nothing could any longer be dismissed as 'impossible'. Ghosts, Stickmen, Mothmen, Dogmen, the Hag phenomenon, goblins, extra-terrestrial craft and aliens, etc., would all become viable propositions. Society & government would be in disarray. It would be a governmental nightmare and ditto science and religion

As it is, most of humanity travels a defined journey: birth, education, reproduction, work, taxes, consumerism, roof over head, leisure, travel, indulgence, retirement, death. Some believe they'll move on to another level of experience after death. Others hope death is just an extended sleep/oblivion. People have a wide choice of Afterlife options. They're told that almost everything that exists is known. History stretches behind them and the Future lies ahead. They believe they live in the Present. Things are orderly. Orderliness provides a sense of security. Science, government and religion are the walls which surround us, like parents. The introduction of Yowie would flatten those walls. Winds would howl around us. People's sense of security would fall away, particularly if a 'paranormal' element to Yowie were evident. Stability would be destroyed. In its place would be hundreds of questions. And no-one would trust the former pillars of our society (Church, State and Science) to answer them adequately or truthfully. It would be crisis without remedy

Government/s decide when and what crises will befall us. When the necessity arises, government relies on Science to tell us what does or does not exist. Yowies do not 'fit' the reality government/science/religion insist is 'ours'. Therefore, Yowie cannot be allowed to exist

Yowie appears aware that he's not supposed to intrude on 'our' reality and by and large he seems prepared to abide by whatever agreement or contract exists in that regard

[Wolf]

I doubt it will be that dramatic.
As to science, Sasquatch/yowie will fit into that modality quite nicely. No science books will be thrown out. In fact, a cousin proving to be walking the planet to this day will support the base of all modern biology... Evolution.
Religion? Well, it will simply point to the Giants of the bible and other ancient texts.
Th social order? Well, that is another story...
... We will lose even more access to our national parks. Already the much larger State Forests have been turned into national parks. Some country residents will be forced off their properties to make way for habitat. Use of land (mining, farming, forestry) will be more centralised and controlled even more.

On a darker, more conspiratorial note; acknowledgment of another hominid will ASSIST the plans for the elite in destroying land ownership and forcing the entire bush population into suburbia and cities. Agenda 21 will be fast-tracked with 'protection' the excuse.
Anyone hunting or 'researching' without the correct authority backing them will be heavily punished so there will be no 'gold rush'.

[Wolf]

Would like to ad...
It's not MY government either.
The Commonwealth ceased to exist in 1973 with the Names and Titles Act. Ever since we have been living under a corporatised 'govt', not the govt allowed for under the Constitution.

[Yowie bait]

Agenda 21 is not really conspiracy theory as its a real document. I find it hard to believe some government scientist hasnt dissected a yowie or two down the track but who knows? Yb

[ChrisV]

There seems to be many references to the authorities being very much aware of the bigfoot/yowie cases.
I seem to recall Neil making mention of the police in the Blue Mountains being aware of case reports of sightings and related prowlings but things were mentioned off record... maybe if Neil is reading this he can confirm.
The MISSING 411 books are also very interesting in their mention of the US National Parks Service being very aware and in some cases being bullish about people investigating incidents etc. They are very concise in naming specific states that create a border between what is known and what shouldnt be known....

With that being the case you have to wonder how long this type of cover can be kept before something comes to light that can't be blamed on a blurry photo or dna sample. Its only a matter of time but there seems to be a pretty good spin doctor effect in motion when something pops up that will steal the credibility of any revelation!!

[Yowie bait]

I suppose if there was a serious cover up then we wouldnt be hearing stories with police involvement as theyd be covered up! A body or yowie killing could be a different story. I doubt yowies want to kill people but there could be at least that one decapitation incident in the blue mountains. Yb

[ConvincedSkeptic]

I suppose if there was a serious cover up then we wouldnt be hearing stories with police involvement as theyd be covered up! A body or yowie killing could be a different story. I doubt yowies want to kill people but there could be at least that one decapitation incident in the blue mountains. Yb

Wasn't there a story of a bloke getting decapitated around the Faulconbridge area? I was reading the report of the woman who lived out in a valley near there and she knew of a friendly one in her valley but the one (Valley and yowie) over was supposedly involved a blokes death?

[Yowie bait]

I havent seen that report. Is that in "the yowie" book ? Wouldnt be hard to run off a cliff or into a tree running from the buggers whether they wanted to hurt you or not. Few people been thrown from horses when theyve appeared or so ive read. Yb

[ConvincedSkeptic]

I havent seen that report. Is that in "the yowie" book ? Wouldnt be hard to run off a cliff or into a tree running from the buggers whether they wanted to hurt you or not. Few people been thrown from horses when theyve appeared or so ive read. Yb

Here is the link to the original story http://www.yowiehunters.com.au/index.ph ... wales-1998
Might be worth asking Dean or one of the main researchers about this one. Would be fascinating to know the backstory.

[Shazzoir]

I am quite sure our Government authorities acknowledge the presence of Hairy Men, big and small, but the public don't need to know such things or there would be hysteria from many fronts.

I have seen an image of an American Army training document on the net, warning of the presence of 'Bigfoot'. It's not a joke either, apparently.

http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2011/10/bi ... nment.html

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread960275/pg1

And on the slightly light-hearted front... can you just see it? A new tourist attraction, run by the government.... YOWIE WORLD. What a money spinner THAT would be for all the cryptozoologists world wide!

Shazzoir

[ChrisV]

I am quite sure our Government authorities acknowledge the presence of Hairy Men, big and small, but the public don't need to know such things or there would be hysteria from many fronts.

I have seen an image of an American Army training document on the net, warning of the presence of 'Bigfoot'. It's not a joke either, apparently.

http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2011/10/bi ... nment.html

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread960275/pg1

And on the slightly light-hearted front... can you just see it? A new tourist attraction, run by the government.... YOWIE WORLD. What a money spinner THAT would be for all the cryptozoologists world wide!

Shazzoir

It would be a crazy world watching how the public would react if these things were accepted.
The Blue Mountains already has Scenic World with the SkyTrain and the Scenic Railway - just add Yowie viewing platform ontop of that....
I'd go!!!
Actually...come to think of it....maybe not.

[Yowie bait]

I am quite sure our Government authorities acknowledge the presence of Hairy Men, big and small, but the public don't need to know such things or there would be hysteria from many fronts.

I have seen an image of an American Army training document on the net, warning of the presence of 'Bigfoot'. It's not a joke either, apparently.

http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2011/10/bi ... nment.html

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread960275/pg1

And on the slightly light-hearted front... can you just see it? A new tourist attraction, run by the government.... YOWIE WORLD. What a money spinner THAT would be for all the cryptozoologists world wide!

Shazzoir

Something like the bullens lion safari maybe the go for yowie world. What a stupid dangerous (and fun !)place that was!

Someone dropped the ball with that army training document. I doubt it was a joke.

Its silly to think the powers to be dont know whats going on in the woods and forests of the world. There would have been at least some interaction when they destroyed..sorry i mean cleared the forests to build our lovely cities.

Is it Switzerland that has areas designated for faeries? I cant remember but thats certainly dumber than bigfoot or the yowie.

[Wolf]

Iceland I believe

[M-glass]

I doubt it will be that dramatic.
As to science, Sasquatch/yowie will fit into that modality quite nicely. No science books will be thrown out. In fact, a cousin proving to be walking the planet to this day will support the base of all modern biology... Evolution.
Religion? Well, it will simply point to the Giants of the bible and other ancient texts.
Th social order? Well, that is another story...
... We will lose even more access to our national parks. Already the much larger State Forests have been turned into national parks. Some country residents will be forced off their properties to make way for habitat. Use of land (mining, farming, forestry) will be more centralised and controlled even more.

On a darker, more conspiratorial note; acknowledgment of another hominid will ASSIST the plans for the elite in destroying land ownership and forcing the entire bush population into suburbia and cities. Agenda 21 will be fast-tracked with 'protection' the excuse.
Anyone hunting or 'researching' without the correct authority backing them will be heavily punished so there will be no 'gold rush'.

You've posted a video in which it's made clear the government (US in that instance) denies the existence of Bigfoot and other anomalies in the face of evidence. Same video, same female parks employee, it's stated army engineers and biologists are aware of the existence of Bigfoot to the extent official manuals exist in which there are instructions as to how to avoid, deal with, etc., those Bigfoots which are encountered

Government/s have no intention of validating the existence of Bigfoot, Yowies or any other crypto, be it physical flesh and blood, paranormal or combination -- which is what I wrote in my post

You cite Yowie/Bigfoot as being welcome in confirming both the Bible and Theory of Evolution on one hand, yet post a video in which an 'insider' states unequivocally that government has gone to enormous lengths to conceal and deny what they know to be the existence of Yowie/Bigfoot ?

and you suggest that after confirming the existence of creatures they're at such pains to deny, government/s will force populations off the land in order to accommodate those same denied creatures ?

My point, in case it escaped some, was that science, religions and governments would not allow the existence of (in this instance Yowies) to gain confirmation. And the reasons for this as I said, was that governments decide which fear-porn should be used to manipulate populations. Government fear-porn includes 'climate change', 'terrorism', 'pandemics' (Ebola, Zika, etc), food and water shortages, 'obesity', 'smoking', 'war on drugs', 'weather', etc. In other words, governments select and create whichever fears and anxieties should be imposed on the populace. Governments believe they hold the monopoly in the fear-industry

Governments are beholden to religions. Science is beholden to government and also to religions. And the Australian government is dictated to by much larger and/or more powerful and influential governments, who in turn take their instructions from the actual controllers

Many religions currently are losing their hold on people. Also, it's to be doubted that anyone remains unaware of the power-play between traditional religions and evolutionists

Western religions are still unprepared to recognize any paranormal elements which threaten religions' control. And when pushed to the edge, religions reluctantly ascribe paranormal occurrences to The Debil. Religions ruthlessly guard their domain, which does not include the existence of Bigfoot/Yowie. Religion speaks of 'Giants in those days', past tense. And despite there existing innumerable claims of discoveries of giant skeletons throughout the past several hundred years, these are not recognized by authorities -- in fact, such discoveries are ridiculed, 'debunked' and denied, often by prestigious scholars, archaeologists, universities, etc. Remains of giants are forced into the realms of ruthlessly discredited 'fringe science' and described as 'hoaxes'

Science is reliant on government for grants, tenure, etc. Science does as it's told, reveals only what it's 'allowed' to reveal

Governments rely heavily on religious voting blocs. Religions provide votes and in return are provided monies by whichever government occupies office

Science, religion, government -- in lockstep, reliant on each other, aiding each other, pandering to each other, covering for each other, etc.

Thousands have witnessed creatures which -- with variations -- fit the Bigfoot/Yowie (and others) criteria

If there existed genuine scientific, religious or governmental willingness to acknowledge such witness sightings as having merit, Bigfoot/Yowie would not languish in the nether regions of 'fringe science'

When people claim witness to 'miracles', it hits the front page. Sometimes, the Pope and other religious worthies see fit to formally acknowledge these 'miracles' and cite them as proof of saints, angels, even God itself. In other words, religion decides which 'fringe science' events are 'real' and worthwhile. The Turin Shroud, for example, has involved science for decades. Scraps of wood claimed as pieces of the True Cross are sent around the world by the Vatican with armed guards, armoured vehicles, temperature controlled containers. Yet neither you nor I have heard one word from religious heads about Bigfoot/Yowie despite that thousands of reliable witnesses claim experience of them

So to suggest religion, science or government would welcome confirmation of Bigfoot/Yowie and would herd populations into cities in order to create habitat for them is absurd

A further complication, as I mentioned in my previous post, is the fact it has never been established if Bigfoot/Yowie are three-dimensional, physical creatures. In fact, there's a body of anecdotal evidence to suggest the creatures/entities are multi-dimensional. 'Manfromglad' I think has posted his experiences which suggest Yowies are capable of morphing into orbs which in turn enter the ground and disappear. Others, in this forum and elsewhere, believe Yowie can morph back and forth between dimensions, thus being visible one moment, invisible the next. If those same witnesses were called to give evidence in court in reference to a traffic accident, domestic dispute, robbery, etc., their testimony would have the power to set an accused free or put him behind bars. Are we to suggest their faculties desert them between witnessing an accident and seeing a Yowie as they drive along a road? Same people, same eyesight, same intelligence, same powers of observation -- yet in most instances their claims are accepted without question, until it comes to a creature denied by science, religion and government

The issue of Bigfoot/Yowies has nothing to do with current government agendas (you mentioned Agenda 21 but there are dozens as we're all aware). Government for the moment has no design to put national parks off-limits because of Yowie/Bigfoot. Government has no intention of acknowledging the existence of Yowie/Bigfoot, full-stop. Beyond any doubt, government, science and religion are well aware of the existence of Yowie/Bigfoot and a lot more. But the information in possession of government has been judged as being not for public consumption. Because Yowie/Bigfoot is a can of worms that government, science and religion have decided should not be opened publicly

It's all about control. As I've said, if the public was made aware of the existence of creatures such as Bigfoot/Yowies (and much more) the control held by government, religion and science would crumble. The foundations of religion and science would turn to dust, particularly if the public became aware that those institutions and government had withheld such information from them

Governments' control is tenuous. People don't realize just how fragile is the hold government (and religion) have over them. The public is on a very weak leash as it is. Governments and those in the shadows who control governments, are paranoid, insecure and scared of the 8 billion whom they manipulate, abuse, rob and kill. If it were realized by the public that their religious and scientific priests were lying phonies and governments too -- the delicate control would be lost, would be over. And all the world's military combined would be ineffective in attempting to seize control. Once people grasped via evidence that we share our reality with creatures such as Yowies/Bigfoot, old beliefs would be abandoned and replaced by new ones, particularly if Yowie/Bigfoot proved to be inter-dimensional

Governments prefer that people scan the skies for 'space aliens', that much is obvious. Encouraging people to 'look up there' is clearly less dangerous (for governments, religions and science) than armies of people focusing on 'down here, all around us'

Those people who've based their entire lives on beliefs peddled to them by priests would in all probability have disastrous crises of faith, were they to discover nothing is as they've been taught and as they've believed. And if people were forced to accept that inter-dimensional entities existed around them (as they in fact do) their terror would be far beyond anything government could offer in terms of reassurance. Which is why governments create *manageable* terrors such as false-flag 'terrorist attacks' and 'pandemics' etc. to keep people occupied and to encourage them to rely on government to 'protect' them

How many people have disappeared, died in accidents, during surgery, etc. as result of their providing government with proof positive of the existence of Yowie/Bigfoot is something we'll most probably never know. But it's unrealistic to believe there have been none

There are people out there who know what they know and have kept it to themselves ever since. They have no intention of drawing attention and possibly danger to themselves or their loved ones

Incidentally, the belief in the 'small folk' is no more ridiculous and has no less witnesses, than Yowie/Bigfoot

[Wolf]

"So to suggest religion, science or government would welcome confirmation of Bigfoot/Yowie and would herd populations into cities in order to create habitat for them is absurd"

Whoever said confirmation of Bigfoot would be 'welcomed' by these institutions?

My point was simply that I doubt confirmation would lead to any kind of social destruction or anything quite as dramatic as you postulate.
And that these institutions would adapt relatively easily to such a confirmation because of the reasons outlined.

As to the rest of your essay... You are preaching to the choir bro...

... I've been following 'underground' news since the 80s, and noting the 'reality' of such false flags as the sinking of the Maine, Lusitania, Pearl Harbour, Gulf of Tonkin, Port Arthur, 9/11, 7/7, Sandyhook, and countless other 'problems' created to force a 'reaction', in order for a 'solution' to be implemented (Hegelian Dialectic) going far back in history.


As to our 'government'... our Commonwealth went bankrupt many decades ago after participating in a devastating war designed for that very purpose (Madame Rothschild famously said, "There has never been a war my sons did not want").
Ever since then we have been run by Administrators posing as legitimate government, but it is NOT our 'lawful' government as prescribed by the Constitution. Want proof of this? Try to bring constitutional law into a court and see what happens (as I have done).

The people of the Commonwealth have been deceived many times over. Our 'money' is unlawful currency and is in reality 'debt notes' designed to keep us enslaved to the central bankster system. (I have actually been banned from ABC talkback radio for merely pointing out our Reserve Bank is privately owned)... Our 'Tax office' and every other 'govt department' is illegal under International Law. We have given up our freedom for the 'benefits' of a trust account called the Birth Certificate, which is then used to enslave us to corporate 'government' through a series of resultant trusts. One example of this is your 'Driver's License', which is in reality a contract/resultant trust between your corporate entity and the state.
I could go on and on with what I have learnt over the decades (and 'proven' in court many times over). If you want me to expand on any of the above points let me know.

And don't get me started on 'religion'

No-one will 'welcome' confirmation, but when it can no longer be hidden, rest assured the PTB will make the most of it to enforce whatever new 'rules' they wish. As former White House Chief of Staff famously said, "Never let a good crisis go to waste... it is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before."

[Dean Harrison]

Thank you M-glass for the time put into your Post.

We need a Facebook style 'Like Button'.



DMH

[Dion]

Thank you M-glass for the time put into your Post.

We need a Facebook 'Like Button'.



DMH

Agreed

Nice post M-glass

[Wolf]

"There are people out there who know what they know and have kept it to themselves ever since. They have no intention of drawing attention and possibly danger to themselves or their loved ones"

The Japanese had a saying "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down." (WW2 era, I forget which Japanese Admiral quoted this before being lured into Pearl Harbour)

I personally know at least 3 people that have stuck their heads up to get hammered back down...
One has been fighting the corporate, treasonous 'guvmint' with tremendous success for over a decade. As a result he has a huge target painted on his back and was even featured in an episode of Gold Coast Cops. Needless to say he never uses his real name anymore and lets no-one other than his closest friends know where he resides (despite constantly beating the cops whenever they drag him into court).
Another has been helping people legally write off their debts (mainly credit cards) and defeat debt collectors in court. Recently he was visited by a thug who hinted his kids would disappear while walking home from school if he did not cease and desist his activities.
Another, more famous one is Max Igan, who after giving a talk about Palestine was beaten up so bad he was in Intensive Care.

I too, have been 'warned' (by a retired senior sergeant relative) about being raided by the police and set up with planted guns or drugs for my court actions over simple traffic 'offences'. Said warning prompted me to 'live to fight another day' and pull out of two separate appeals that threatened a $250 million a year industry by proving both speed cameras and the Transport Operations Road Use Management Act itself were illegal in a court of record. (Magistrate's courts are not 'real' courts, but the district court is a 'court of record').


I have no doubt many 'Bigfoot Researchers' with solid evidence keep their heads down and their evidence to themselves. Mostly the guvmint 'allows' them to continue their activities because said researchers are easily discredited with media spin making out believing in BIgfoot is akin to believing in the Tooth Fairy. And if they come up with a body or similar it is very easy to demonise them as Kooks or frauds (there have been many examples of this over the years, including Australia, as Dean knows first-hand).

But added to this, I firmly believe many 'knowers' keep their mouths shut to keep the critters safe from human interference. Sadly humans all too often cause more damage to animals once they become 'known' than they did when they were 'unknown'.

[Dean Harrison]

All interesting reading.

I think I did a blurb in one of our Videos at one stage about some of this.

Thanks Wolf. Another fascinating Post.

There's some that I have never mentioned. Things that have happened that I've never spoken of, but to only a few. Conspiracies and .gov investigations - no doubt.


DMH

[Yowie bait]

I doubt it will be that dramatic.
As to science, Sasquatch/yowie will fit into that modality quite nicely. No science books will be thrown out. In fact, a cousin proving to be walking the planet to this day will support the base of all modern biology... Evolution.
Religion? Well, it will simply point to the Giants of the bible and other ancient texts.
Th social order? Well, that is another story...
... We will lose even more access to our national parks. Already the much larger State Forests have been turned into national parks. Some country residents will be forced off their properties to make way for habitat. Use of land (mining, farming, forestry) will be more centralised and controlled even more.

On a darker, more conspiratorial note; acknowledgment of another hominid will ASSIST the plans for the elite in destroying land ownership and forcing the entire bush population into suburbia and cities. Agenda 21 will be fast-tracked with 'protection' the excuse.
Anyone hunting or 'researching' without the correct authority backing them will be heavily punished so there will be no 'gold rush'.

You've posted a video in which it's made clear the government (US in that instance) denies the existence of Bigfoot and other anomalies in the face of evidence. Same video, same female parks employee, it's stated army engineers and biologists are aware of the existence of Bigfoot to the extent official manuals exist in which there are instructions as to how to avoid, deal with, etc., those Bigfoots which are encountered

Government/s have no intention of validating the existence of Bigfoot, Yowies or any other crypto, be it physical flesh and blood, paranormal or combination -- which is what I wrote in my post

You cite Yowie/Bigfoot as being welcome in confirming both the Bible and Theory of Evolution on one hand, yet post a video in which an 'insider' states unequivocally that government has gone to enormous lengths to conceal and deny what they know to be the existence of Yowie/Bigfoot ?

and you suggest that after confirming the existence of creatures they're at such pains to deny, government/s will force populations off the land in order to accommodate those same denied creatures ?

My point, in case it escaped some, was that science, religions and governments would not allow the existence of (in this instance Yowies) to gain confirmation. And the reasons for this as I said, was that governments decide which fear-porn should be used to manipulate populations. Government fear-porn includes 'climate change', 'terrorism', 'pandemics' (Ebola, Zika, etc), food and water shortages, 'obesity', 'smoking', 'war on drugs', 'weather', etc. In other words, governments select and create whichever fears and anxieties should be imposed on the populace. Governments believe they hold the monopoly in the fear-industry

Governments are beholden to religions. Science is beholden to government and also to religions. And the Australian government is dictated to by much larger and/or more powerful and influential governments, who in turn take their instructions from the actual controllers

Many religions currently are losing their hold on people. Also, it's to be doubted that anyone remains unaware of the power-play between traditional religions and evolutionists

Western religions are still unprepared to recognize any paranormal elements which threaten religions' control. And when pushed to the edge, religions reluctantly ascribe paranormal occurrences to The Debil. Religions ruthlessly guard their domain, which does not include the existence of Bigfoot/Yowie. Religion speaks of 'Giants in those days', past tense. And despite there existing innumerable claims of discoveries of giant skeletons throughout the past several hundred years, these are not recognized by authorities -- in fact, such discoveries are ridiculed, 'debunked' and denied, often by prestigious scholars, archaeologists, universities, etc. Remains of giants are forced into the realms of ruthlessly discredited 'fringe science' and described as 'hoaxes'

Science is reliant on government for grants, tenure, etc. Science does as it's told, reveals only what it's 'allowed' to reveal

Governments rely heavily on religious voting blocs. Religions provide votes and in return are provided monies by whichever government occupies office

Science, religion, government -- in lockstep, reliant on each other, aiding each other, pandering to each other, covering for each other, etc.

Thousands have witnessed creatures which -- with variations -- fit the Bigfoot/Yowie (and others) criteria

If there existed genuine scientific, religious or governmental willingness to acknowledge such witness sightings as having merit, Bigfoot/Yowie would not languish in the nether regions of 'fringe science'

When people claim witness to 'miracles', it hits the front page. Sometimes, the Pope and other religious worthies see fit to formally acknowledge these 'miracles' and cite them as proof of saints, angels, even God itself. In other words, religion decides which 'fringe science' events are 'real' and worthwhile. The Turin Shroud, for example, has involved science for decades. Scraps of wood claimed as pieces of the True Cross are sent around the world by the Vatican with armed guards, armoured vehicles, temperature controlled containers. Yet neither you nor I have heard one word from religious heads about Bigfoot/Yowie despite that thousands of reliable witnesses claim experience of them

So to suggest religion, science or government would welcome confirmation of Bigfoot/Yowie and would herd populations into cities in order to create habitat for them is absurd

A further complication, as I mentioned in my previous post, is the fact it has never been established if Bigfoot/Yowie are three-dimensional, physical creatures. In fact, there's a body of anecdotal evidence to suggest the creatures/entities are multi-dimensional. 'Manfromglad' I think has posted his experiences which suggest Yowies are capable of morphing into orbs which in turn enter the ground and disappear. Others, in this forum and elsewhere, believe Yowie can morph back and forth between dimensions, thus being visible one moment, invisible the next. If those same witnesses were called to give evidence in court in reference to a traffic accident, domestic dispute, robbery, etc., their testimony would have the power to set an accused free or put him behind bars. Are we to suggest their faculties desert them between witnessing an accident and seeing a Yowie as they drive along a road? Same people, same eyesight, same intelligence, same powers of observation -- yet in most instances their claims are accepted without question, until it comes to a creature denied by science, religion and government

The issue of Bigfoot/Yowies has nothing to do with current government agendas (you mentioned Agenda 21 but there are dozens as we're all aware). Government for the moment has no design to put national parks off-limits because of Yowie/Bigfoot. Government has no intention of acknowledging the existence of Yowie/Bigfoot, full-stop. Beyond any doubt, government, science and religion are well aware of the existence of Yowie/Bigfoot and a lot more. But the information in possession of government has been judged as being not for public consumption. Because Yowie/Bigfoot is a can of worms that government, science and religion have decided should not be opened publicly

It's all about control. As I've said, if the public was made aware of the existence of creatures such as Bigfoot/Yowies (and much more) the control held by government, religion and science would crumble. The foundations of religion and science would turn to dust, particularly if the public became aware that those institutions and government had withheld such information from them

Governments' control is tenuous. People don't realize just how fragile is the hold government (and religion) have over them. The public is on a very weak leash as it is. Governments and those in the shadows who control governments, are paranoid, insecure and scared of the 8 billion whom they manipulate, abuse, rob and kill. If it were realized by the public that their religious and scientific priests were lying phonies and governments too -- the delicate control would be lost, would be over. And all the world's military combined would be ineffective in attempting to seize control. Once people grasped via evidence that we share our reality with creatures such as Yowies/Bigfoot, old beliefs would be abandoned and replaced by new ones, particularly if Yowie/Bigfoot proved to be inter-dimensional

Governments prefer that people scan the skies for 'space aliens', that much is obvious. Encouraging people to 'look up there' is clearly less dangerous (for governments, religions and science) than armies of people focusing on 'down here, all around us'

Those people who've based their entire lives on beliefs peddled to them by priests would in all probability have disastrous crises of faith, were they to discover nothing is as they've been taught and as they've believed. And if people were forced to accept that inter-dimensional entities existed around them (as they in fact do) their terror would be far beyond anything government could offer in terms of reassurance. Which is why governments create *manageable* terrors such as false-flag 'terrorist attacks' and 'pandemics' etc. to keep people occupied and to encourage them to rely on government to 'protect' them

How many people have disappeared, died in accidents, during surgery, etc. as result of their providing government with proof positive of the existence of Yowie/Bigfoot is something we'll most probably never know. But it's unrealistic to believe there have been none

There are people out there who know what they know and have kept it to themselves ever since. They have no intention of drawing attention and possibly danger to themselves or their loved ones

Incidentally, the belief in the 'small folk' is no more ridiculous and has no less witnesses, than Yowie/Bigfoot

I've been offered jury duty twice and ive seen yowies AND the min min lights. I also believe in extra terrestrial life and possibly ghosts or interdimensional entities. I hope i dont get "whacked" by the MIB now but it was a good run...

[ChrisV]

Seems like the X Files were not that far off the mark.

M-Glass post was a great read. Summed up so much in one powerful post.

Unfortunately whilst the shadows still exist we will live in them until a new light shines....not sure of when or if that will happen in our lifetimes.

[Yowie bait]

Unfortunately in this country,most people will not believe anything unless it comes from the news or from the mouths of our wonderful celebrities.

As for this "fear porn". Well just turn on sunrise or the today show and you will get a tonne of it rammed into your poor head every morning before work. All delivered with a toothy smile from our attractive and well dressed celebs.

If Carl or kotchie says yowies is rubbish then it must be true!

[Wolf]

Yep, fear is the easiest emotion to manipulate. And the easiest path to tricking the sheeple into the nice safe pen.

And yes, our society has degenerated into an 'X-Files world'....
I just finished writing up a 'submissions in response' for a court appearance (alleged speeding). The Prostitutor demonstrates in her response obvious incompetence at law and even went so far as to suggest I have nor right to challenge the evidence brought in the complaint against me!
This is blatant disregard for the very foundation of our legal system!

What happened to our country for our rights to be so abrogated?

Can't wait for court, this'll be fun

[Yowie bait]

Yeah i talk to a lot of people lately who feel helpless about their situations. Its very sad. Too bad for the elderly and handicapped. They seem to lose more rights and benefits every year. I doubt you need it but good luck with that court case!

[Simon M]

Thanks for pointing me to this thread, Tuckeroo.

Great reading, and everyone makes interesting points. It's difficult to believe that the authorities, at some level, are not aware of certain things that they deliberately don't mention publicly. I can even understand the argument that most people may not be 'ready' to know about certain things for fear of causing mass panic (for example).

I have often wondered why certain ideas/topics are seen as being part of the 'lunatic fringe' when they're no weirder than 99% of the stuff people believe in as a daily part of accepted mainstream society (religion, actually winning tattslotto, John Farnham's retirement from the music industry, etc).

I'm not really given to conspiracy theories as such....but I can accept that some things become part of a conspiracy of silence, or even apathy. Maybe educating the public about these creatures has simply been consigned to the "too-hard basket" by whoever is making these kinds of decisions?

[Yowie bait]

Everyone should be forced to deal with the reality of these and other taboo things. How will we ever "evolve" if we cant accept anything out of the ordinary.

[Wolf]

Conspiracies are very real.
Only a very naive person would think people of power do not conspire with others to maintain their power/get more power over each other and the masses.
Some are 'theories' (NASA'a conspiracy to convince us the earth is round and not flat). Some can be easily disproved (like the 'flat earth' one), while others remain forever in 'theory' land because evidence is harder to find (Sandy Hook actors)... many Conspiracy Theories are obviously Conspiracy FACT, not theory (9/11 was at minimum a govt stand-down, at worst an inside job, 6 corporations control all the mainstream media and therefor the public narrative on any issue of importance, etc).

The 'Bigfoot Conspiracy' is fact to 'knowers' and theory to 'believers', just like 'my' theory our Commonwealth Parliament has been quietly replaced with a Corporate Administration enforced by Administrative Courts under contract law, not constitutional courts under Equity, is 'Fact' to me but 'theory' to others. (I have the evidence, but others refuse to 'see' it, even judges avoid the issue and change the subject, refusing to answer my questions)

Even though, personally, I am 99.9% convinced hairy hominids DO exist, I am not a 'knower' as I have not personally seen one, so to me it has to remain 'theory' for now.

[Simon M]

There's no doubt that the powerful and influential manipulate situations and institutions to suit their own financial and ideological ends, but I don't think that it takes much effort to cover up anything if most people don't even care about it. I'm not suggesting that people should be naive or unaware (or I wouldn't be here reading this forum; none of us would be), but I'm also not prepared to see a hidden agenda in every situation or assume the worst as a matter of course. Yes, the bigger and more influential an organisation is the greater the likelihood that it will become corrupt, and this has always been the case.

Everyone who posts here has a vested interest in this topic (for whatever reason), but Cryptozoology is not only an obscure subject to most, it isn't even an official branch of scientific study, and is pretty much the definition of the 'lunatic fringe' as far as most of the scientific community are concerned. A number of witnesses in the audio reports state that they'd never even heard about these creatures before having seen one, despite having extensive experience of the bush, or even the area where their sighting took place.

This is not something it would be difficult to cover up - if people simply shut up about it for fear of ridicule or embarrassment, there's little need to put much effort into hiding it. Look at how long the Catholic Church managed to hide their paedophile priests, simply because nobody discussed it openly. They didn't work that hard at concealing it, they just relied on knowing people would be loathe to discuss the matter. Once the truth was discussed the very thin veil of secrecy was lifted, and the Catholic Church is one of the most powerful international institutions on Earth. You could reasonably argue that the guilty parties were not really punished as fully as they should have been - but the truth did come out.

Just by saying we believe there's a 99.9% chance we think there are unidentified hominids in Australia, we lose all scientific credibility in one fell swoop - so I doubt anyone here is naive in that sense. We all know something is happening which isn't being officially discussed, which is why we're talking about it.

As I said, I find it hard to believe the authorities don't know more about these creatures than they publicly reveal - but it's not hard to cover up something that the majority of people don't know or care about. Until someone develops an interest in this topic, or sees something they cannot explain, they're unlikely to care one way or the other. There's also the fact (and I am 100% sure of this one) that the majority of those who do see one of these animals never, ever report it or even discuss it. Many of the audio reports are from people relating events which took place decades ago, and who have likely never before told anyone what they tell the AYR team. There's a stigma attached to this subject, and that's the main thing holding the study of these creatures back - that's my main point.