Whats the Yowie Belief Split Percentage, downunder?

[stickyfingers]

Other than canids..what known prey animals of humans are there in the Australian bush.?

...hey Mike... what about Drop bears??? (Latin scientific name: Throatsremovis ) ...surely you have not forgotten them????... surely???? for anybody that does not know what I'm talking about... here is a link...

http://www.cfr.com.au/dropbears/index.html

...those things are bloody viscious!!!!... did you see the marks on the Drop bear survivors neck???? ... you've gotta be cautious when they're around!!!! ...cheers... Stickyfingers.

[Purpledude1812]

Well...arnt there supposed to be a number of large cats roaming the austalian bush?

[Mary Use]

Goodness me, Mr. Williams. You do seem rather precious about observations of your little error.
Yes, I did spot your funny little man. I just thought it inappropriate to lampoon an obvious error whilst committing one every bit as obvious yourself. Though as a moderator you have carte blanche to do as you will, and good for you. Who will ban you? Dean? Hardly.

I am all for sarcasm and lampooning, but I do like to see it done well.

[Mike Williams]

hey Mary...

Goodness me, Mr. Williams. You do seem rather precious about observations of your little error.

Goodness me, Mary.You seem to have a problem reading what I wrote.
Or with me admitting I made a mistake...eeeckkk...now I have said it...
Here is what I said.."You know you are dead right.."
Please read posts more carefully and dont project your own mindset onto the words of others....

Yes, I did spot your funny little man.

Hurray...!

I just thought it inappropriate to lampoon an obvious error whilst committing one every bit as obvious yourself.

For the bleeding obvious reason.. that I didnt know I had made a mistake Geez..you a flogging this tiny horse for all you can get...

I am all for sarcasm and lampooning, but I do like to see it done well.

Wrong forum..

[Mike Williams]

Hey purpledude

Well...arnt there supposed to be a number of large cats roaming the austalian bush?

They are supposedly out there...
Sticky...the damn dropbears...they have always been a worry..the flabbit is coming back as well I hear..

Mike

[Purpledude1812]

Well coz you've all stated that your researchers.. Yeah good point we are getting off topic. What was the topic again? Allright Yowie, Large Hairy Beast or NSA Interdimensional Assassin. Personally im leaning towards the former but i remain openminded and could be convinced. Although i stand by what i said about the nameless dread being perfectly normal for human instinct in the presence of Herbi..whoops Carnivores.

[stickyfingers]

just how far off the pace we are here in Australia.

Sure..the amazing stills/video footage/dna/skeletons/captured live specimens/fossil lines evidence /bodies etc that keep coming out of the US each year always makes us here in OZ hold our heads in shame... Mike

...let's not forget something here guys... when you think of the differences in populations between the U.S.A and Australia ... there is no way that our research could be as prolific as the Americans...

According to the U.S. Bureau of the Census, the resident population of the United States, projected to 03/15/09 at 03:04 GMT (EST+5) is 306,009,660

...as compared to...

On 15 March 2009 at 02:10:37 PM (Canberra time), the resident population of Australia is projected to be 21,618,118

...and then there are the comparisons of the land mass areas between the two countries...

...the U.S.A : 9,372,180 square kilometers = 3618618.9 square miles

...Australia : 7,686,850 square kilometers = 2967909.4 square miles

...as you can see... there's not a vast difference between the size of the two countries... but when you think that there are around 284,391,542 more Americans than there are of us covering roughly the same size of land mass... there will ALWAYS be more researchers / reports / and findings that we will never be able to match!!!... so I suppose that we're not doing too bad after all eh?... cheers... Stickyfingers.

[stickyfingers]

Sticky...the damn dropbears...they have always been a worry.. the flabbit is coming back as well I hear..

Mike

... oh my God!!!!... not the... not the FLABBITS !!!!!!!!... nooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!... ... cheers... Stickyfingers.

[lil foot]

Hi Mary...famtabulous to see you again..

Mr. Williams, If you are going to parody an obvious mistake- herbivores, when obviously this person meant carnivores,you should proof read you own text to spot anything similar.

Oh Deary me......It was a joke Mary...see the context...read the comment properly..can you see the little moving cartoon man Mary...??
Did you have a humour bypass at some stage before you came here with all your in depth comments on weird phenomena..your amazing insights into any of these subjects etc...
The joyfull ideas and thoughts you bring here to these subjects... See the smiling man again Mary..obviously I am making jokes...obviously...
You take jokes directed at yourself.. seriously...and now dear mary..you are taking jokes not directed at yourself..too seriously...

Actually there are quite a few, if you interpret this sentence literally. Kangaroos, wallabies, emus, snakes lizards etc, etc.

You know...you are dead right..!
Very poor grammer indeed...thank you for pinting that out to me.
I have left the letter "o"out in "pointing" in the above line for you to pounce on Mary.

Perhaps you should be a little more thorough, and spend the extra few moments to proof read.or I could do it for you, if you find it difficult.

I dont need to proof read....I have the very funny/informative/charismatic Mary...with unlimited spare time to trawl through my posts to do it for me.!!


Mike

forgive me if im wrong, but mary sounds like a school teacher to me, unfortunately im surrounded by them (most of my friends) and they are always forward in pointing out your mispronounciations and spelling mistakes in sms and skype, ya gotta love em.

[lil foot]

Well...arnt there supposed to be a number of large cats roaming the austalian bush?

supposebly, before 1991 anyway, then i saw one, now its a done deal for me anyway.
since then 3 other people i know have seen them, 2 at close range, i mean attack in one leap type range.

[iwanttobelieve]

Well...arnt there supposed to be a number of large cats roaming the austalian bush?

supposebly, before 1991 anyway, then i saw one, now its a done deal for me anyway.
since then 3 other people i know have seen them, 2 at close range, i mean attack in one leap type range.

Hey lil foot.

Do you have any more details on those sightings?

Cheers.

[lil foot]

sure iwtb. a work mate saw one cross in front of his car somewhere in the bush when camping. another mates mum and dad, who i also know well, walked up on one when they were taking a walk through the sand dune tracks at woodside in vic, which is quite a hotspot apparently. they came around a blind corner and startled the cat and themselves, the cat was BIG, black and not too happy having its nap in the sun interrupted, it let out a deep loud growl, the type of growl that comes deep from the throat without the mouth opening, they both backed away and headed back to camp quick smart, they got very close to the cat, if it wanted to attack it could have quite easily, but i guess there was one cat and two people,lucky.
my sighting was on the princess hwy north of cann river, after seeing and being very aware of wallabys and roos near the edge of the rd, i saw what i thought was a wallaby with half its body out of the bracken, same size, same cola type color, but as we got within 30 metres it turned and walked off into the bracken, thats when i realised it was no wallaby, but a bloody big cat, i saw its face, then it turned to reveal its thick long tail, my mate saw it also and we did the typical, 'did you see that !?' now that i know they are real is why i have to give some credit to other cryptos and listen to their stories before judging them, if cats are out there, then maybe yowies are also, so thats why im here today with all you fine peoples.

[iwanttobelieve]

Thanks lil foot.

[topender]

Noyce report Moyte

i have commented several times on the Forum about living down in rural Sth East VIC ( Tarra Valley ), i remember ONE thing about my years there...and that was a feeling of constant fear, our farm was in the middle of nowhere, Madayla. i always felt an oppressive feeling, paranoia....yeah yeah i know i was a kid at the time but i know that kids are sensitive to things that are not right....always felt watched from the surrounding thick rainforest.....for what its worth


cheers

[Night Walker]

I have just completed a review of 988 Bigfoot/Sasquatch sightings over a 170 year time period from the U.S. and Canada.

47 of those could be considered unusual or paranormal:

* 9 reports of multiple shots fired at subject with no reported effect
* 5 reports of subject running at high speeds (30+mph)
* 3 sightings in conjunction with 3 toed foot prints
* 11 reports in conjunction to UFO activity within a week of sighting
* 2 reports of hunter being physically unable to shoot subject
* 4 reports involving elements of “high strangeness”
* 13 reports mentioning glowing eyes (not merely reflective)

This equates to 4.76% of Bigfoot/Sasquatch sightings being unusual or paranormal.

Applying stricter controls this number is further reduced in some categories for a grand total of 28:

* 9 - shoot with no effect
* 2 - high speed running [removing human error/exaggeration & failure to take into account terrain nuances]
* 2 - 3 toe reports [removing Bigfoot with dog face and tail]
* 7 - UFO link [removing sightings over 24hrs apart]
* 0 - unable to shoot [removing both reports from same witness - most likely psychological]
* 4 - high strangeness
* 4 - glowing eyes [removing reports with possible source of eye shine]

This now equates to 2.83% paranormal reports for Bigfoot/Sasquatch in North America. This compares to 0.7% paranormal reports for Yowie sightings in Australia. Neither achieves 5-10% to be considered “statistically significant”.

What is the attraction of the paranormal in this particular field of crypto-zoology?

A break down of those who have stated their position within this thread is as follows (some are assumed to be within certain positions by their arguments - if incorrect, I will alter):

Flesh & Blood: Night Walker, lil foot, Shazzoir, Aussie Trev, Rastus

Paranormal: doctorscream, Joe Black

50/50: Chewy, Big Cats

Being an American, doctorscream does not technically qualify for the poll “Whats the Yowie Belief Split Percentage, downunder?” So, currently 62.5% F&B, 25% 50/50, and 12.5% Paranormal within this small sample.

It is interesting to note that currently it is only those associated with AYR (Webmasters, Forum Moderators, and Team Members) subscribe to positions outside a general F&B crypto-zoological position. Why is it some within the AYR are more comfortable to question the very nature of reality than to question their own research methodology (or, in some cases, the lack thereof)? I await the personal assaults…

Again, I ask: What is this attraction with the paranormal in Yowie/Bigfoot sightings?

Supernatural may be sexy - in an X-Files kind of way - but it simply does not support the vast bulk of the evidence.

[lil foot]

awesome work NW, you are mathematiclly gifted.
i write as i sit in my teppee of sticks impatiently awaiting the orb to take me into the dimension of rest.........ahh theres the bloody problem, forgot to plug it in.

[topender]

Good Doctor

Could you show us the evidence of
1. connections to the NSA/KAOS
2, spooks in the family
3, Born into a family
4, can you escape places by going into a phone box and disapearing below

or if you told me would you have to kill me?

[Rastus]

A lot of people can say things about you Doc, but they cant say you 'aint entertaining

Sometimes your posts are coherent, believeable and well written. But othertimes the "other" Doc comes out with somethin way out there ie: bulletproof superman tights, invisible Bigfoot spending 10 days in your kitchen (to what purpose do you suppose?) and surveillance by spooks hellbent on making you existence miserable. It is good reading though, and I get a good giggle, but thats just me

Oh btw , as an ex soldier I had access to thermal imaging and passive IR night vision in the form of binoculars and tank gunnery sights . I also spent a hell of a lot of time in the bush, I'm talking 6-8 months of the year all up being the norm. In some very remote areas at times, unwashed for weeks, operating in all weather and all hours, sometimes larger numbers and other times in small groups of 4, but once again nothing seen that wasnt there. But perhaps your advice only works in America. Perhaps I needed the bacon fat also .

Anyway keep up the good work Doc....you make me smile

[lil foot]

whats wrong with get smart???? next thing you will try to tell me hymee wasnt a robot and he was nsa undercover

[Dion]

To the Doc thanks for sharing your photos

Hey Night Walker

Nice post, good to see someone really doing there research.

Can I ask how or where you compiled your information from to come to that conclusion?

Although you’re right I am a 50/50 person, F&B vs Paranormal, I would have to say that some of that 50% (paranormal) comes from my own experience and the rest from research.

As Doctorscream pointed out there are a number of books that delve into the paranormal some of them which I have read.

There are a number of reasons also why I don’t lend to just the flesh and blood hypothesis those include,

1. The amount of sightings we have world wide but still no body to date including bones (too my knowledge),
2. The ability to have remained undetected for centuries (we have only stories)
3. 3,4,5 6,7, toed tracks, seems to me to be dealing with something either like interbreeding or something more paranormal (I once found a three toed track which I still cannot explain to this day it doesn’t stack up to any known species)
4. My own experience with the creatures
5. Doing my own research and comparing that with my own experience. (this has confirmed for me that I am not alone in my own experience)

Doing my own research has provided me with these possible paranormal scenarios

1. We are dealing with something dimensional (the ability to disappear or vanish after being pursued in front of ones eye, including what you have brought up, being shot at with no physical effect, hearing footsteps but seeing nothing?)
2. Psychic ness (reports and experiences of telepathic ness, mind to mind contact, the ability to know what your thinking, the ability to put individuals or people to sleep this comes from aboriginal stories and legend and hearing other peoples experiences,

There are some reasons why these things get overlooked some because people are not ready accept them or they do not get widely published either because the F&B community ridicules them. The later is usually the case.

Having said all that, there are a number of reasons why I lend to the flesh and Blood hypothesis as well I have just chosen to delve in some paranormal aspect at this time.

Am I 100% right in my observations? Who’s to know? I can only talk from my own experience and research, each of us will be different.

We can only really talk and debate the subject until someone comes home with the proof we all so eagerly await.

Cheers

[lil foot]

Doc those photos look like a great shot of moths to me.
dont give up though, keep trying.
maybe we could get some photographers to give some reasonable expanations of those photos.

[topender]

So Mr Ice Scream

Your basically saying with regard to my enquiry, that you are unwilling to provide any evidence to back your beliefs as it would be time consuming and inconvienient...thats OK, i understand your reluctance to elaborate.........Anosognosia...just as long as your happy, you are happy aren't you?

[iwanttobelieve]

Howdy Doc.

Forgive my ignorance but the second photo you posted (the one with the deer) appears to have been taken with a normal camera and flash unit.

I thought orbs could only be viewed via 3rd gen night vision or have I missed something. Can they be seen with the naked eye as well?

Cheers.

[iwanttobelieve]

Hi Doc.

Do you think a interdimensional/orb based Yowie would give off a heat signature?

Cheers.

[topender]

Hey you fella...IWANNA-something or other

I KNOW YOUR GAME...your...your working for some agency department thingy..jigger..whats-it, c'mon WHO'S PAYING YOU....WHERE ARE YOU....their evrywhere... their everywhere....WHY HAVE THEY SENT YOUUUUUUUU..................Do you really exist Has any one actually met this Iwannabelieve person??? wait a minute weve been down this track before. this is getting confusing

[iwanttobelieve]

Hello Topender, if that is your real name.

We all know about your top-secret mission to disrupt this forum and allow ASIO to continue its program to develop a next generation Bigfoot-killing super Yowie.

The game is up my friend.

I have been feeding you disinformation for some time now and soon the power of the super Yowie will belong to me.

Resistance is futile and you will kneel before my mighty Yowie army.

[topender]

this gets better and better... ..ooh i think im gunna wet my pants.. oops too late.

[Night Walker]

Can I ask how or where you compiled your information from to come to that conclusion?

You can ask and I will surely answer that question as soon as my PC is functional once again (may be another week yet)... and technology is supposed to make life less complicated and frustrating. So much for that theory...

Perhaps there is something to the NSA conspiracy theory... NO. It is simply part of the joy of having children and only one PC.

Currently, I only have access to these damn internet cafe computers.

I had begun compiling a database of sightings beginning in Australia then working over to the U.S. and Canada from various published literature on Bigfoot/Sasquatch. I will list these sources as soon as it is convenient. The stats I provided are only the beginning and I will expand it further in the near future. All may be lost on my PC but I don't mind doing it all over again - I had really only just begun, I like to be thorough, and have already thought of different parameters to flesh out the statistics.

I find the field of cryptohominolgy fascinating and am currently involved in researching several aspects mentioned previously in this and other threads. Many have suggested that these creatures could be Gigantopithecus, Australopithecus, or a whole host of other hominids but, as far as I'm aware, none have gone into any real detail about just HOW this could be. This is one of my tasks and I'm treating it as a thesis.

The statistics, while far from complete, give an indication of the overemphasis on the paranormal in this field. This is a real concern for me. I see us self-proclaimed "researchers" as doing the groundwork for one of the great discoveries of all time! Ultimately, we will need the specialised skills and knowledge from a wide variety of scientific disciplines - biology, zoology, palaentology, genetics, etc - to make real inroads and I fear that this unjustified overemphasis on the paranormal only serves to alienate the very people we need.

Anyway, keep the discussion going ...

[topender]

Night Walker

youve said all...i could not have said it better


cheers

[lil foot]

topender, This is an IQ test for you. In 50,000 words or less, please describe the method by which a US security agent is proven to be a US securtiy agent. Take your time.

lil foot, Did anybody ever compliment on your observation and research skills? No?!? I didn't think so. Don't quit your day job, since you describe a round orb without wings as being an elongated insect with wings. You are in the wrong hobby.

well for a change ya right mate, no one complements me on my research, but lucky for me i dont thrive on having my back patted and being tucked into bed.
i do what i do cos i love it and i learn from it.
and work, well ya right i better stick with my job or else ill never be able to afford a gen 3 or above nightvision monochular.