Yowie encounter near West Wyalong dark forrest area

[Yowie bait]

Ok theyre on the map. Thanks again.

[paulmcleod67]

That's a good question. Unfortunately our Coronial system makes it difficult....not impossible...but difficult to access autopsy reports that match the criteria I've set in order to eliminate psychopathic human killers and kidnappers. None of which are on the pin map clusters. The statistics are horrific for example

“We know that, of the more than 35,000 people reported missing to police in Australia each year, close to two-thirds are children.
While the majority are found within 24 hours, there are still those whose whereabouts remain unknown,” Commissioner Colvin said.


1750 people reported missing per year that are never found.

135 children per year since 1995

Equals 2970 children (only) missing never found NSW only.
Something has to be done....like NOW....know what I mean?
I love my country and have done military service including active duty.
BUT.... we as a people are just too procrastinating.
I can feel the pain of mums and dads, husbands and wives, that don't have the answers they need.
And if I'm wrong...I'm just wrong no big deal. (I'm not wrong however)

Again for those that are interested Ive done this kind of extremely heavy research publication before
My last one was called "The assassination of Harold Holt" Still in print and kindle but I'm not linking it as that's not why I'm posting here.

Cheers

[Yowie bait]

Thats a lot missing people each year whether they're yowie related or not!

[paulmcleod67]

Here's a case that I follow with interest and the sort of missing persons case that has all the red flags (to my mind) indicating potential yowie involvement, as usual the devil is in the details of the story.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/body-found-in ... na9di.html

"Police believe the body is that of Ms Eiao, 25, who walked off into rugged terrain at Girilambone, in north-west NSW, last Friday. One of the dogs that had stayed with Ms Eiao was found dead near the body".

"UPDATE: Police have held a press conference near the scene of the crime.

They are still unable to confirm whether the body is that of Rocky Eiao.

Police did confirm however a body was found with a deceased dog.

They believe the body has been there for more than two days and was located about four or five kilometres from where Ms Eiao had last been seen.

We'll have an update of the press conference shortly.

EARLIER: Cobar inspector Brenton Lee has confirmed they have found a body but he said at this stage they don't know any specific details.

"At the moment we're awaiting forensic services, the scene is all sealed off," he said.

Inspector Lee said they don't know how long the person has been dead for or what was the cause of death.

About 5.20pm on Thursday, police located a woman’s body within the search area, believed to be that of Ms Eiao.

A crime scene has been established at the location, which will be examined by forensic specialists.

Inquiries into the incident continue and a report will be prepared for the Coroner.


Ms Eiao's last registered address was at Quandialla, east of West Wyalong

but it was believed that in recent times she had been living in or near Nyngan.

AND FINALY

March 16. 2016

“There’s no foul play at this stage and no basis to these rumours,” he said.

Although police have been unable to definitely identify the body, the police are a step closer to identifying the body as 25-year-old Ms Eiao’s.

The local sergeant said when someone couldn’t be identified visually, police had to use DNA testing and orthodontic testing. The orthodonic records are a match with Ms Eiao’s.

“The dental records appear to be the same. The coroner will look at it and decide if that’s enough evidence to identify her,” he said.

Sergeant Wood said although the police weren’t 100 per cent sure they are fairly confident the body is Rocky Eiao’s.



WHY ITS SUCH A STRANGE CASE TO ME

Conflicting media reports concerning the condition and identity of the body.

One reports says she walked off with a third member of the group a friend to look at goats.

The friend was found alive and well. But no mention of any statement from said friend as to what happened to Ms Eaio

"Girilambone"? Meaning 'place of falling stars' was bastardised from 'Giralambone' and sounding like

Gorilla Bone....Ill get to why I make that point in the last part of this post.

45k away from her home town of Nyngan...Rocky had made it only 3k prior to the death of not only
her but also her dog?

Exposure and lack of water only hinted as a possible cause of death.

Death referred to Coroner

Almost no further media attention

As of yet I can find no conclusive announcement from the coroners office of cause of death.

By March 16th 2016 a "No formal identification of deceased as of yet" Statement was released.

And yet Rocky Eaio was buried on the 19th

"A Graveside Service celebrating Rocky’s life, wias held in the Bimbi Cemetery on Saturday March 19th 2016

Closed casket burial

What's so strange about that? Well other than the fact that she shouldn't have died in the first place?

The young lady was a local country girl and a shearer to boot who almost certainly would have known the area.
She was found under a tree a mere five kilometres away from her last known location almost a WEEK later and one of two dogs was found (also deceased ) next to her, after the area was extensively searched by foot and trail bike.

Again no definitive description of how the dog died ( just loose attribution to exposure and high temps).

Perfectly summed up by this comment...

"Where she has gone missing is where she works and knows the area very, very well," her cousin Tori Eiao told AAP.

I can relate to this case a lot.

What would have happened to us( Mylene and myself) if we had not got the car going in time ,that night near W.W?

How would our deaths have been reported?

Its not a huge leap to assume a lot like Rocky Eiao,s I must sadly conclude.

Now about my Gorilla bone comment...Aboriginal story relating the "The place of falling stars"

or Gorillambone.

This story cames from the Weilan people of northern New South Wales and the Ooungyee people of the Kimberleys in Western Australia. Both stories described people disappearing from an Aboriginal camp near a waterhole. Upon noticing strange tracks, members of the community discovered that the missing people were victims of a shape-shifting monster who lured people to the waterhole with ‘sugarbag’ (honey), then dragged them under the water to their deaths.

In the New South Wales story, the monster was female, but in the Western Australia story, it was male. In both stories, a clever man (Wirrigan in New South Wales and Jubertum in Western Australia) made a strong cord using the hair of women from the community. Upon reaching the waterhole, the clever man was offered a leg of kangaroo by the monster. The man told the monster, who appeared in the form of an Aboriginal man, that he wanted to take a nap first.

The monster agreed and decided to nap as well. The clever man awoke, tied the cord to the sleeping monster, and jumped on its back. The monster woke and fought to remove the man from its back, diving into the water, turning it into the “hot soda water it is today”. The man repeatedly stabbed the monster with a spear but it would not die. The monster flew into the sky with the man on his back, where they are seen today as meteors. The only difference between the stories is the name of the clever man and the gender of the monster. Additionally, in the New South Wales story, the clever man fell to Earth with a group of falling stars at Girilambone, New South Wales

My sincerest condolences to her friends and family.

I hope the closure you need in this matter is forthcoming .

R.I.P Ms Eiao

Cheers

[Wolf]

What gets me is how they could not readily identify her????
After only a few days?
Was her face missing?

[Yowie bait]

The lack of a cause of death, conflicting reports and the almost unidentifiable body is all good reason to be suspicious.

The case is similar to the human torso story where the coroner was said to have determined the cause of death but it was never released to the public.

Weird how the dog was found with the body. Maybe trying to defend the poor girl from whatever attacked her?

[paulmcleod67]

I've been tracking many stories like this and it is more than reasonable to say that in 40 degree weather a body would bloat and split like any other mammal left in the open for six days but what of her clothing, personal effects, blood group? To rely on dental is also standard, but its mentioned as an essential, primary and possible only means? There is no public interview with her two companions at all. Along with other details I find hair raising and creepy. We made a chose not to drive through the Cobar area based on a bunch of truckie and hitcher stories so we went via West Wyalong....talk about crappy luck. Her story put plain what could have happened to us. I'm working on William Tyrells story at the moment as compared to similar situation accounts and with no small measure owing to Americas Denis Martin disappearance (and owing to David Pallides seminal work described in his Missing 411 books).

His Cluster theories seem to pan out here in Australia as well (see my own research results on the maps above).

[ChrisV]

Some interesting stuff there....
Those scratch marks are a little unnerving....

I don't think people on this forum are going to be instant doubters - more so researcher types that will use evidence and match up markers to come to a general conclusion which camp they sit in.

I've had my own experience - and I'm fairly certain I was fortunate enough to have an encounter after weighing up and comparing my experience with others.

Your input here is much appreciated...looking forward to more discussion on these things.

[Tuckeroo]

I've been tracking many stories like this and it is more than reasonable to say that in 40 degree weather a body would bloat and split like any other mammal left in the open for six days but what of her clothing, personal effects, blood group? To rely on dental is also standard, but its mentioned as an essential, primary and possible only means? There is no public interview with her two companions at all. Along with other details I find hair raising and creepy. We made a chose not to drive through the Cobar area based on a bunch of truckie and hitcher stories so we went via West Wyalong....talk about crappy luck. Her story put plain what could have happened to us. I'm working on William Tyrells story at the moment as compared to similar situation accounts and with no small measure owing to Americas Denis Martin disappearance (and owing to David Pallides seminal work described in his Missing 411 books).

His Cluster theories seem to pan out here in Australia as well (see my own research results on the maps above).

Hi PMc and Yb, I’ve been reading your posts and one thing that comes through is how
traumatising it can be to have an encounter with a Yowie or any cryptide.
It’s one thing to see one, but to be physically threatened takes it to a different level.

I can read in your posts a sense of relief that your talking to someone who has experienced the same gut wrenching fear.
I tried to imagine how Mick Fanning felt when that shark had a go at him in South Africa. Now make that animal
mysterious as it isn't supposed to exists and I get an idea of how much of a life-changing experience it is.
I always hope to see a Yowie when I’m in the bush but now I’m not so sure.

As for missing persons, I had a look at the AFP web site a while ago and was surprised at the amount of missing people,
( my post about this, ‘missing 411 down under’ )

PMc, you said in a previous post that you wanted to do a David Paulides style investigation but he ‘beat me to the punch’
I know this is only a figure of speech but the meaning I get is that he has published something on Australian missing persons.

I’ve found out today that he is giving a presentation in Australia at West Ryde NSW on the 23rd of this month.
He says he is interested in some missing person cases in the Blue mountains.

Seems like the time is right for this kind of book, written by an Aussie, so I think with your publishing experience, you’re the man.
Might take a few years or so to do it properly.

I’d be careful with the William Tyrell case, still a bit too recent and raw. I have friends in the area and I asked them
what they thought of the case and the vibe I got was that locals were still too upset to talk about it.
I suppose the objectivity of an investigator seems cold and detached to some people, so at this stage I would advise anyone
not to go traipsing around Kendall asking shop-keepers what they thought about the case.

I saw the maps you created, they look like NSW and Southern Queensland and I was wondering if you have investigated
the area between Rocky and Mackay, where hitch-hikers and back-packers were going missing in the 70’s and 80’s.


T.

[Yowie bait]

Hi Tuckeroo. I agree. That would be an excelkent book and would do well in my opinion. The missing persons aspect alone would have a lot of people interested as its something we often talk about in australia in real life and the media.

Id love to go on about the psychologocal ramifications of seeing a creature thats not supposed to be exist but this will probably be a long post so ill save that one.

I will say it's i think different seeing something you are hoping to see if you are a researcher or yowie hunter but a lot different when you are an unsuspecting bushwalker or camper not expecting it and not sure if the creature even exists or not.

That is interesting what you say about talking about experiences with an unknown creature. Im glad i wasnt on my own that night.
Things could have possibly turned out much worse for either of us and also we could talk to each other about what happened.

Unfortunately there wasnt a website like this to get some confirmation of what happened. Any adults either didn't believe what we saw and had some lame explanation or just didnt want us to talk about it for our own good.

My mate probably had the best view of it when it was close as he was on the other side of me. I could mostly see its arm at that point as it was leaning over me lol!

Later on i was sitting there thinking "am i nuts or was that thing really checking me out?" and he says "oh that thing was onto you. He was really checking you out" to which i had too agree.

If he hadnt mentioned that i would never have said anything as it seemed unreal at the time and i was so shocked over what had just happened.

Later of course he would say the thing had the hots for me and was checking me out for other reasons.. !

Other stuff we talked about too but if we had the resources like youtube,ayr and similar (but much worse!!) encounters like Paul and Deans to compare too then we could have had a better idea what happened and it wouldnt have seemed so bad. Instead it was a weird series of events that took place and we didnt mention it much..well i didnt then anyway.

Ive talked to a few people on here and read a few things that have been what i was thinking but would never mention. The few times someone has responded to me about the encounter it has helped me greatly.

I realise now there is no way i can know exactly what happened or what it is. I have a general idea of yowie lore and habits now which helped me place things together .

Only last year i hated the things and thought they were filthy horrible animals. Now i worry about the bloody things and seem to be turning into some yowie loving greenie and discussing them on social media!? Never too late to change i suppose!

[Yowie bait]

Geez what i meant to also say in that rambling post is that while a book like Paul is talking of writing may shed a bit of a negative light on the yowie to some people,it would be a great resource and public service to the community. People would at least be thinking twice about going out on their own in the bush whether they believe or not.

[paulmcleod67]

I'm interested in all reports and try to map them as I go.

At this stage I'm focusing on N.S.W specifically how many yowie reports are in a given area vs how many missing persons or bodies, and under what circumstances. Although its early days I am seeing the makings of localised migration patterns that seem to have regularity. I'm sure that someone has already done all of this work, which I intend to seek out once I have enough of my own sample to make a comparative study. If there's anything to the theory, migration should be plain to see if shown in multiple independent studies . It could also indicate a degree of predictability in yowie habits that is somewhat out of their sphere of control (If consistent seasonal food sources are driving migration). I'm definitely thinking mainly high protein accessible food groups like fish, native and feral species (et al) and also human travel routes with heavy and regular road kill ratio's especially looking for resalable and consistent peak times. There's plenty of accounts describing them attacking tree,s for bugs and grubs to eat, but those have a fair chance of case by case misidentification with Cockatoo incurred bark stripping.


What I have mapped now and with little else, shows clusters forming that have a logic and common sense to them, you know? They occur primarily in bountiful, watered and sheltered habitats that have elevation advantages. I also think Yowies are more inclined to use isolated remote cave systems and caverns through the day as a kind of networked protectorate and at night move to lower areas to drink and hunt. I get the impression that family groups are relocating at night extremely regularly. I'm also thinking that these networks are ancestral, well known and inherited within a loose clan structure. Perhaps intimidation displays are an indicator of being close to one of these "hunting shack" networks?

[paulmcleod67]

Oh and just a couple more traits I've noticed in the witness literature. There appears t be massive inbreeding in some areas, (Jamison valley accounts comes to mind ). Yowie print casts that display digital anomalies tend to also display a sort of autism in witness with print reports. This could help explain some of the size and extremity variations as a kind of de-evolution and would also allow increased psychological instability including psychopathy.

But its all informed speculation for now.

[Dean Harrison]

I have absolutely no doubt they are responsible for many missing people. I was nearly one on two occasions.

It was only by the grace of God that I didn't jog down a bush track in Ormeau in June of 1997. If I did, I wouldn't be here now. That had bad intentions. And in the same week, someone else did go missing in the same location. All the found was his esky. A group of kids only just made it out with their lives at the same location a couple of months later. It returned to their hut and destroyed it. It chased a wood cutter back to his car. Then I had some members of the SAS pay it a visit.

Then at Kilkivan in 2009. After being knocked down, this one hadn't finished with me. It was only that the guys with flashlights got to me in time. I would hate tho think what I would have gone through if I was alone that night. Again, I'm certain I wouldn't be here now.

There's good and bad in most animals. I struck two very bad ones.

Again, I have no doubt people have been killed by them. And to find yourself in that position, believe me, is one of the most traumatic experiences you can ever have. There is no self defense. They are too big and powerful.

Having said that, their eyes being as sensitive as they are at night, a spotlight to repel them may force them back. But I had all the mental prep in the world, however when it came down to it at Kilkivan, nothing prepared me for it. All plans went out the window.


DMH

[Yowie bait]

Oh and just a couple more traits I've noticed in the witness literature. There appears t be massive inbreeding in some areas, (Jamison valley accounts comes to mind ). Yowie print casts that display digital anomalies tend to also display a sort of autism in witness with print reports. This could help explain some of the size and extremity variations as a kind of de-evolution and would also allow increased psychological instability including psychopathy.

But its all informed speculation for now.

Thats some interesting theories for "informed speculation". A cave system to hide and traverse sounds likely.

Maybe deformities could explain the differences in appearances from witness reports or are they just all different like us humans as apes have a more uniform appearence?

[Dean Harrison]

Really interesting thread - good information.


DMH

[Yowie bait]

I have absolutely no doubt they are responsible for many missing people. I was nearly one on two occasions.

It was only by the grace of God that I didn't jog down a bush track in Ormeau in June of 1997. If I did, I wouldn't be here now. That had bad intentions. And in the same week, someone else did go missing in the same location. All the found was his esky. A group of kids only just made it out with their lives at the same location a couple of months later. It returned to their hut and destroyed it. It chased a wood cutter back to his car. Then I had some members of the SAS pay it a visit.

Then at Kilkivan in 2009. After being knocked down, this one hadn't finished with me. It was only that the guys with flashlights got to me in time. I would hate tho think what I would have gone through if I was alone that night. Again, I'm certain I wouldn't be here now.

There's good and bad in most animals. I struck two very bad ones.

Again, I have no doubt people have been killed by them. And to find yourself in that position, believe me, is one of the most traumatic experiences you can ever have. There is no self defense. They are too big and powerful.

Having said that, their eyes being as sensitive as they are at night, a spotlight to repel them may force them back. But I had all the mental prep in the world, however when it came down to it at Kilkivan, nothing prepared me for it. All plans went out the window.


DMH

It just goes to show that even experienced people shouldn't be out there alone at night. I dont think there would be much any of us could do if one was to get ahold of somebody.

Nice to know a bright led torch or laser could help. If you were trying to film the thing then he probably wouldn't come nowhere near you!

[Dean Harrison]

I will never venture out there on my own again. Lesson learnt and it won't happen again. The danger is very real. After the 2009 incident, it took me around 8 months to get a decent night sleep.


I won't be putting myself in that situation again. It's terrifying and you feel absolutely defenseless.


DMH

[Yowie bait]

Im not suprised you couldnt sleep! Its a wonder you can even still venture out into the bush at all after that.

It's bad enough getting chased/paced and wondering if its going to kill you or not,let alone getting knocked to the ground and not knowing whats going to happen next. Stuff that!

Paul's tale is also terrifying. Sounds like they were trying to seperate him from his fiance. Is this just scare tactics or something else? Bloody scary. Thats for sure!

[Dean Harrison]

2009 was a game changer for me. I went from cocky and relatively fearless, to refusing to go in the bush alone at night, or in the day if its far away. That made a massive dent in my Research. It's effected me dramatically. I don't ever want to go through that again.

Thanks for your input, Paul. Much appreciated.


DMH

[MW83]

[quote/]

I’ve found out today that he is giving a presentation in Australia at West Ryde NSW on the 23rd of this month.
He says he is interested in some missing person cases in the Blue mountains.

[/quote]

guys, come along to this if you can as the significance of his books cannot be overstated.

http://www.ufor.asn.au/events/23-june-2 ... lides-usa/

I'm based in Perth so I've got no chance to go, but all those who can should try their best to make it!

And I suggest to bring some spare cash along in case he's brought some books to sell at the end of the talk.

[ChrisV]

[quote/]

I’ve found out today that he is giving a presentation in Australia at West Ryde NSW on the 23rd of this month.
He says he is interested in some missing person cases in the Blue mountains.

guys, come along to this if you can as the significance of his books cannot be overstated.

http://www.ufor.asn.au/events/23-june-2 ... lides-usa/

I'm based in Perth so I've got no chance to go, but all those who can should try their best to make it!

And I suggest to bring some spare cash along in case he's brought some books to sell at the end of the talk.[/quote]


I will be doing my best to attend this. His books are excellent and the $25 charge is worth every cent I believe.

[ChrisV]

2009 was a game changer for me. I went from cocky and relatively fearless, to refusing to go in the bush alone at night, or in the day if its far away. That made a massive dent in my Research. It's effected me dramatically. I don't ever want to go through that again.

Thanks for your input, Paul. Much appreciated.


DMH

Dean - most people who have an experience like that normally don't want to revist that experience for a number of reasons.
It seems you like Yowie Bait and others are actually more attracted to the subject even after a terrifying encounter!

Quite an interesting end result - its drawn you closer - not a case of closure!
Does it limit you guys to walk out in the bush knowing that the real threat is there....I know safety in numbers but its still a bold step knowing the potential of these creatures.

[Dean Harrison]

You worded it perfectly Chris, thanks.

On a different subject, I was thinking this afternoon regarding someone either on our Forum, or perhaps somewhere else in the World talking about shining them on by whistling tunes. This was a process I ritually performed in the Blue Mountains and once at Daisy Hill. It worked. I found it very effective. You could imagine dead in the night in the forest and you begin to hear a strange tune. Of course you would head there and observe, if it were your backyard.

Worked for me in the past. But nothing I would do alone at night in a known area. Back in the late 90's, that was how Fatfoot established it was me, and the games began.

I would suggest this to anyone who has a regular they visit. It's familiarity and letting them know you are there.



DMH

[ChrisV]

Dean - that makes sense. Familiarity would be a useful tool when putting yourself out there.
I tend to think that maybe people who live in places where they have hairy visitors are probably more likely to have a visitor that could express more tolerance. The territorial boundaries are set and the visitor has the chance to approach the owners at their own comfortable pace.
On the flip side, walking into an unknown location that could have territorial violations could create aggressive tones etc....

I'd be more comfortable ( if thats at all possible ) having one visit my place or area than bolding walking in and showing up and expecting a friendly reception....

Whistling might be the compromise.

[Yowie bait]

Hi Chris. Its exceptional that Paul and Dean have had such terrifying close calls and gone on to do the important research they have done. There was no contact with me and the yowie. He may have spat on me but nothing like what happened to these blokes and others i have read or heard about.

They're some good points you make. I enjoy walking and looking around the bush and do go off track (gingerly!) but not too far. During the day is cool but i get spooked if i get a bit disorientated.

There is no way i would go into the bush on my own at night or even with a group. My imagination gets the better of me and i easily work my self into a state if on my own.

I consider myself yowie aware as i know they exist and a bit of what they can do and will take steps accordingly to avoid it happening again. Much like i dont tease poisonous snakes or follow baby dingoes through sand dunes and other sensible things ive learned through experience.



As far as my interest in the Yowie goes,well up until a year or so ago i had no interest other than to disassociate myself from the whole experience other than talking to the other witness in the encounter.

Its only recent times since ive read and listened to the similar accounts that ive become interested and more freaked out and shocked at first than anything.

Ironically enough it was both Dean's and Paul's encounters among others (newell highway roadkill account! ) i looked at early on that really gave me the shivers!

[Yowie bait]

Thanks for the speed reply. As I said matey I have no problem in providing what information I can.

Here is the url to the best image enhancements I have from West Wyalong as well as a recent find on one of my digital cards taken by the roadside in Cairns...I think its pretty clearly a dark ape like creature, but opinions matter for sure.

Cheers


https://youtu.be/Mg7VBuBEXe4

Hi Paul or anyone thats had a look. Do you think the black spots around the face is hair? The Cairns pic is pretty convincing. If you look closely in some of those close ups ,it is actually more apeish than appears at first glance.

[Yowie bait]

Wyalong close up looks a bit like this mean fella.

[Wolf]

Re whistling...
I have heard a few 'experts' in the US saying do not ever whistle in the bush. I think it is because they use whistles when hunting and it sounds to them like you are hunting on their turf.
So yes, it could be perfect for bringing them in but they may come in pissed off (according to the US 'eggspurts').

[paulmcleod67]

Wyalong close up looks a bit like this mean fella.

I thought so too but wanted to wait until someone (like your good self) made the same comparison.

I remember seeing liver spots or sun cancers on its forehead and it certainly had a high scalp line.
My impression remains that the one I caught close up on camera (still an awful picture despite years of working on it)
was quite "old" if that term even applies?

Cheers